GRBandog, LOL. I am am "overnight breeder?" ROTFLO! You make 3 claims in your nonsense post. Let me address all three, for unlike you I don't have to hide or lie about anything. Let's see your degrees in Animal Sciences, genetics, and animal reproductive physiology. Let's see your certifications of artificial insemination by any professional breeding organization. Here is just a LITTLE information about our "overnight" breeding program. 1. My degrees, since you bring them up. http://www.chimerakennels.com/aboutchimerakennels.htm http://www.chimerakennels.com/AI%20breeders%20certification http://www.chimerakennels.com/bachelors http://www.chimerakennels.com/masters "Overnight breeder?" LOL. The U of I is one of the top universities in the country. Why is my name on those diplomas? It is a result of a lifetime of dedication to my program. [size=18]What professional knowledge do you have?[/size] The truth of it is, your a fumbling idiot and internet expert...nothing more. 2. There is only ONE training club that I have ever had issues with...and that was because they didn't want people taking pictures or videos of the dogs being work. Nothing more, nothing less. I thought that was a foolish policy. The exuse they had was it was not good "PR" with society to have k9 protection work on websites...although they of course had pictures and videos of the club owner's program. Perhaps the hypocracy was a "pit bull" type of thing. We went our own ways not because of training issues but because of hypocritical policies. Nothing more, so you obviously once again don't know what you are talking about. That is the only club we have ever had any disagreement with. We have worked with some of the best trainers in the country and have gotten along perfectly with all others that we have worked with. BTW, you should know of Butch Cappel, for he has worked more bandogs and been to more bandog programs than anyone alive. Why not ask him what he thinks about our dogs or program? 3. When it comes to the Swinford program, it would be EASIER for me to not give Swinford credit but that isn't the right thing to do. I give him credit because we are supposed to acknowledge the work done by those that came before us. I don't expect a parasite such as yourself to understand. HOWEVER, it is only my responsibility to prove my claims about [u]my dogs[/u]. Yes, I am working on a book, but I only mention it to get under your skin, which apparently it does. Whatever we claim in that book about the original Swinford program will be clearly proven when the book goes to print. You are obviously a jealous and insecure person...and I don't think much of you as you have been caught lying more often than a rug. Marty knows a lot about dogs from a lifetime of experience. If you actually read the Origins of the Swinford page http://www.chimerakennels.com/originoftheswinford.htm , because of his involvement with Swinford, you would see there is in fact a link to Martin's Website in that article. We have also had close collaborations not just with him, but with others as well that were DIRECTLY involved with the Swinford project...but I am not going to tell you who because we were fortunate enough to get dozens of photos never released to the public about the program...and we plan on keeping things private until we are ready to release those photos on our terms. Since you like bringing other people into our conversation...let me ask you a question. Can say the same about you and Lucero? You don't know your own dogs’ pedigrees and it is my understanding that he says he doesn't even know you except that you bought dogs from him. Nice relationship. How many times now has he told you to control your mouth? Why does Lucero not endorse your cross breeding program. As if you are some authority on anything...LOL. You are nothing but the epitome of what not to be...and simply speaking you are insecure. Your dogs are from unknown breedings, unknown pedigrees, and unregistered stock. [u]Your personal dogs[/u] are overweight, their tongues hang to the ground in exhaustion after just walking around...and most certainly are not a long lasting working breed...and your embarrassment shows through. You don't know the first thing about working a dog. I have seen dogs that were fit and looked good come into your program and in very short order they were overweight, cripple looking, tongue to the ground poor specimens. And, I can confirm this if need be. Do I need to prove this for you too? Do I need to do this? Please...by all means ask me to and give me permission to post those photos. Obvoiusly, you don't know how to work a dog. You try to peddle pups on several boards and place adds on various Websites...and then deny it. LOL. You have been caught lying about the breeds used in your dogs, you have been caught lying about the percentages in your dogs, you have been caugt lying about the ages of your dogs, you can't do math dispite others confirming your math is incorrect, you have been caught lying about other breeders, and you lied about how many generations you are in your program. Half your dogs look cripple and those overweight scatterbred mutts would be culled by any respectable breeder. You are everything a breeder should not be. I believe it is because you are despirate and lost. On that note, I wish you better success in the future because right now you are nothing but a parasite to the working canine community.