[quote1327057822=cawkazn] Hey I wanted to ask your guys thoughts on: 1) rottweilers 2) dobermans 3) the panja mastiff...also whats the deal with the f1 gen rott x apbt is good but further generations are not? [/quote1327057822] Rottweilers and Dobermans need training and leadership, they are not a pet you can just leave them to themselves. The Panja Mastiff is basically extinct since the only kennel is out of business. The Rottweiler and Pitbull cross has gotten such a bad rap because it was bred by bad people who probably expected a dog to be fine without training like the Pitbull. These are both high energy dogs that can get stir crazy if left alone too long. If a breeder was to select for the Rotty intelligence and train them in Shutzhund it would be a great medium sized dog.