Good post there sonny...Dogobabe answer this please... what makes you think that the presa people just want an excuse to breed what the hell they want?? when to me out of all the breeders i speak to that the presa breeders are the ones that care most about the breed and it is us presa people that are doing things like sign petitions to get rid of the "DOGO" and all go by the name of presa! we love our breed.. don not! confuse presa breeders for bandog breeders.