[quote=PresaDog666]LOL out of the many thousands of pres owners, slighty over 200 signed thepetition, wich BTW was doomed from the start because the "preseros" did not agree with it. Most use this "rustic Presa" as a means to sell dogs that dont fit any standard. BTW where is all the proof these "pure presas" are superior? it is all internet hype and sales pitches.[/quote] and your from the dogo board?