excellent post gary :D with the aforementioned this could possibly strenghten many groups in a great many ways if one is honest with self...this can b applieed to/with any particular group/club...owning other small creatures and at one time being a member of such groups/clubs this type friction is there as well so point n case being there is no exceptions to such oppositions/adversities...these indiscretions have been and wiil be around forever unfortuantley :roll: i own pet dumbo-rats and the clubs/groups are even more so irrational and self-righteous lol :roll: