i know many people who are preserving working TMs in the way they still are in himalayas, the way they were in ancient days! they still keep the dogs in similar environment and still breed solely for guarding! they are certainly not the dogs for a civilized society! such dogs are likely to be euthanized in US.. they attack strangers right away if they are in their territory! their average height is 26 - 29 27-28" being the average and weight will be around 50 kilos and can go up to 60 kilos! too huge HMs are not as sharp as those dogs!! if i want working TMs, i'd rather contact those guys than to import a dog from western countries! :D i am still in a dilemma! i am thinking whether to get a bulli or a TM from working stock! my friend has handpicked each puppy from shepherd and tribesmen and collected his own unique stock which he is breeding for only performance as guard dogs!! he has a dog who has even faced a leopard along with its father and made it run for its life!! here he is!! he is 9 yrs old, still fit and strong!! still ready to take on another leopard!! he is not that huge! huge dog's can't be like him!! he stands 28" and weighs around 55 - 56 kilos! he is training n teaching the puppies and other adults now! huge dog means, i am talking about dogs like this but the male above is known to be surprisingly fast n swift for his size!! and known to be extremely possessive of his territory and owner!! he stands over 33" prolly! the above black male is siring a litter with this bitch! the photo says it all! she was a puppy of 10 months prolly when this pic was shot! it is my friend's female! she is barking at the photographer! puppies are expected by december! he circulates the puppies among his friends and wouldn;t sell it to anyone! it is hard to find such people!! this female is very fast and intense! she has a hot temper!! she is known to defeat a big 31" tall HM puppy (8 months old) and a saint bernard standing around 32" together singlehandedly when a fight starts! (they live together)..