I was  talking about breeds in general being bred larger than they should be the original village dog was about 18 inchs tall lean and muscular then they were crossed with sighthounds danes bulldogs whatever they had that would hunt well then they based the first standard on the dalmation because they were simalar build and size lean and mucular now they can be heavier as with many breeds and any breed be it neo bullmastiff or any heavy set dog in good condition you should be able to feel rib under the muscle now you might like a fat dog so you can say my dog weighs alot so whos credibility is in question?