Sorry Skive but you are totally out of line. You cannot invent a new defininition of the word "fact". A fact is: 2+2 = 4 or similar. You can state it as a fact that BY GENETICS those two breeds are almost the same if you have the scientific reasearch for it. But, to claim that it's a fact just by looking at the breeds then you're totally out of line. To look or observe, is something subjective, not objective. I know Estrelas that look like Sarplaninacs, and I bet they would still be considered "good" or "very good" in dog shows. That does not mean that it's a FACT that they are identical breeds. :roll: Let me use another example, a genuine Rolex watch and a false Rolex watch. If you look at them they are similar, but they are still different. The last example: I think Toyota cars are similar to Hondas. I claim that as a fact an NO ONE can claim that it's not because it's a fact. Don't you see how stupid that sounds?