"To look or observe, is something subjective, not objective. I know Estrelas that look like Sarplaninacs, and I bet they would still be considered "good" or "very good" in dog shows. That does not mean that it's a FACT that they are identical breeds." I ain´t even gonna comment that... Listen recercare, I never said they were identical breeds. I´ve been around these breed for a long time now and I am a huge Alentejo mastiff and transmontano enthusiast and my statements aren´t based just on observations. What do you know about these breeds? I don´t need to have genetic knowledge to know they are extremely related breeds. Do you need genetics to understant that apbt´s and amstaffs are very related breeds? The transmontano, the alentejo mastiff and even the spanish mastino ligero all come from the same tipe of dogs that then became slightly different ´cause of their environment. It´s a FACT that they are strickly related to one another. As I stated before I folowed the recognition of the transmontano and all the discussion going around it. You´re the one who´s totally out of line, and if you don´t want to accept what I´m saying then buy yourself a ticket and come to portugal to do some research, talk to people, and see it with your own eyes. Wolf, I see you changed their profiles and they are more complete now. You say there are significant differences in their temperament. I don´t really agree, I see no big differences. I mean, there may be some small differences but in general they have the same temperament and behaviour. Physicaly transmontanos tend to be taller and a bit leaner. But anyway, they´re far away from being an homogenic breed and specimens with different apearence are common. Many of them are just like alentejo mastiff´s and they don´t necessearily need to be recent crossbreeds. I also don´t understant why the transmontano shows bigger eastern influence. It often resembles dogs like the kangal in their physical apearence but I don´t see why that necessarily has to represent more easter influence than the alentejo or any other portuguese LGD.