danny your dogue looks great and it tells me enough about all these show guys and show breeders if i show them buffalo and they even don't know the dog and never have seen a pic of him although they are involved in the ddb and show ring for 15 years lol what can you expect of such ignorant people? :-p i mean buffalo was the dog used by megnin for the first standard of the ddb another thing that is quite funny is the fact that again and again ddb get born with a longer nose (and longer doesn't mean long lol just medium long an d not pug like) in almost every litter you have them simply because it is in the ddb genes ;) so let the narrow-minded people do what ever they want they will not get rid of that fact! by the way is the only organization that judges the ddb at the moment the retarted FCI *-) a lot of people who own dogs are totally glad that their breed isn't part of the FCI. the funny thing is the ddb guys have no clue why often their dogs have not the "pug like muzzle" they desire so much. haha the breed wasn't like that in the beginning it wasn't that close in phenotype and the first dogs i am speaking of show dogs still should be functional, now they don't want dogs to be functional anymore. but they will never get the ddb completely like they want it to be, it will never be that close in phenotype like a greyhound is, hey but a greyhound had proper breeding in the past and still has proper breeding. so they never will reach their goal to breed constantly fat red pugs of 65cm lol :-p i really hope ddb owners like you can incoroperate one day and can act as a counterbalance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!