4iso, Welcome to MD! [quote=4iso]They are not stuburn they are THINKNING [/quote] :lol: Of course they are. :) Where are you located in North America? [quote=aleksa]Strong, big metal fence would probably do the job, but even then they will try to dig under the fence or to jump over. [/quote]Yep, I have just that, a strong, big rod iron fence....and several holes in the ground that I had to fill again with bricks. :lol: DanTX