"The large, short-muzzled, shorthaired fawn, brown, red, with or without white markings and extremely vicious Garban (Gorban) was developed from the Kars and the Kangal, as well as other Turkish dogs being crossed with the Armenian and Kazbek types." That was pulled off of the CO site... From my understanding 28-32" and not much different for weight. Don't have any pic's myself...Maybe others may.