[quote1263148026=MickWrath] You insulted members of this board, their dogs, called Americans idiots, and you are new here. You have no clue about Presa's or CO's. You read a little on the internet and think you know of these dogs. Your ignorance is shining through, and maybe if you actually had experience with these dogs you might learn something. You know what? get that CO...I cant wait to see someone who can't train their Presa to not bark at birds, try and keep an Ovtcharka in line. You're in for a suprise. Look at the picture "mate" His head is off? Because it is a cubic brachycephalic with a spot on 6:4 skull/face ratio? Because he has a small white blaze that is allthough rare, still allowed by breed standard? Because his skull is convex in anteposterior & transversal direction? Because his nose, and lips are pigmented? Or maybe because his mask and flews are correct? Because his zygomatic arches are defined? Or what about his scissor bite? Go run and look up some definitions so you can understand those big words "mate." [/quote1263148026] can you tell me what breeder this dog is from?