[quote1327637257=KeyserSoze] [quote1327636536=Astibus] [quote1327633680=tiger12490] PP is all very subjective your not gonna chop your dog to pieces to make him feel threatened.. its to make the dog think hes gonna die not actually killing it [/quote1327633680] Actually, you hardly ever make the dog think its gonna die. You almost always make it think it's gonna win. I think that is what Tonedog meant by "dicking around" or likened it to "tug of war" when it comes to PP trials. I have to agree with him that an actual test for true combat ability would rather be a real battle scenario (i.e. in a warzone), but that is just plain unrealistic these days. Since WWI dogs simply get shot, end of story. So people resort to PP to get high on what could happen should someone dare to attack them with a leather baton. [/quote1327636536]This is exactly why I think a Boerboel, Fila, or Kangal is good for a Bandog program because of the epigenetics invo;ved. Brasil, South Africa, and Pakistan have extreme conditions where one mistake can cost you your life. Just look at the intensity of these Mastiffs, they are on it [youtube]L2LbRYUyWKA[/youtube] [youtube]9SXHQCxwuXQ[/youtube] [/quote1327637257] that is exactly my thinking as well keyser I don't understand why we don't see more of these Bandogs. Atilla the APBT X FIla is supposed to one of the best in the region