Hi, Am I talking with Maurizio? I wouldn't normally talk on an open forum without knowing to whom I'm speaking. However, it seems to me that there is not much difference between the views you have expressed and those I've held for over 20 years about TMs. I do take exception to remarks made about all European TMs as being of Bhotia or Sheepdog type. This is not the case and never has been. Usually those who put this about have less than glorious records in breeding to any consistent type. Speaking for myself, I am well aware of the difference between a Bhotia and a TM or, as I would prefer, Dho Khyi. Although we at Chortens have not bred many litters, those dogs which we have bred including the first UK bred World Champion and his sister, could in no way be described as Bhotia type. Having said that I do agree that too many TMs seen in Europe and other countries do not fit the description of a TM contained in any TM Standard which has so far been written and this is something which should have been addressed many years ago. But I very much disagree that the way to remedy this is to introduce a 'new' breed. If Tsang Khyi is not a breed of dog found in Tibet and IF it is where is the historical proof and descriptions of such dogs? - then that way is going to lead to just as much divergence in type as we now see in the breed worldwide. I think too much reliance is made of the so-called diversity of breed types within Tibet. Tibet might be the size of Europe but there was never the influence in Tibet of the diversity of dogs which has been seen in Europe. Anyone reading historic accounts of travels within Tibet will not be able to find evidence of a wide variety of types. The one common denominator is the multi references to the best Dho Khyi being offered in Tribute and those dogs descriptions do not give credence to a race of tall, longhaired, various coloured dogs ever existing in Tibet. My views when it comes to breeding, showing and judging TMs are well known to those who have ever listened to what I have been saying for many years but to assume that because I am nearer to Europe than Tibet, means I can or will, ever excuse the promotion of Bhotia type dogs as TMs, simply beggars belief. I do not do this and never have. We have a litter here now and there is no way that I expect any of the pups to resemble, in any way, a Bhotia or Sheepdog. Whether or not a Tibetan nomad would consider one of them worthy of being offered in Tribute i.e. a Tsang Khyi, will have to remain open to conjecture but I am fully expecting them to grow into TMs fitting the UK Standard and that is not some Standard which has allegedly been written to suit Bhotia/ Sheepdog types. I do not believe that such a Standard exists.