Just found these 2 posts so thought i would reply [quote=babigirl]Actually I also said that I hope the bitch was doing fine on UGM, but unfortunately the thread was deleted with-in 5 minutes. Talking about Half wit's....I have a copy of the thread, I'm more then happy to paste it up here and share! 8)[/quote] Yes And actually you were the only person who did ask that question. One of the reasons why i pulled the thread. as everyone else was not concerned at all about her welfare and just wanted an excuse to bitch at the people concerned. The other being that when i saw the other thread posted by Mikey and your litter i pulled it too. Possibly you thought different, maybe why you decided to add this little piece of info to this thread. [quote=babigirl]Phil- I'm sorry to hear about you litter's death also, were you trying to whelp naturally? What happened I was told only one made it?[/quote] Jessica since you feel the need to make little of other peoples misfortune(which i am looking at this as exactly that considering i have not participated my thoughts on this subject here or on any other site) and ask in this way i will answer you, BTW The same people who knew they died also knew this info too but perhaps they forgot purposely to tell that part. My pups were born healthy enough on the 2nd January. They (all but 2) died as a result of a powercut which meant no heat lamp and the temperatures were down to freezing in the day time and -8c at nights. This was before they were able to regulate their own body temperature. The other as a result died at 3 weeks old which the vet said she possibly would. And yes they were left on their own. Between feeds it was assumed they would be ok alone but the unexpected happened, [u]I classify a powercut as unforseen[/u]. The reason they were left alone was my eldest daughters Birthday Party (7th January) which we held at a play cafe a few miles away instead of at home to avoid multiple people carrying any infections into the house. So you take precaution over 1 thing and another occurs. But my children will always take priority over the dogs here and I would put them ahead of a further litter too if the choice had to be made. I think that answers your questions. I do not have the time to check UGM that much these days let alone MD so I apologise for the delay in replying.