[quote=crnosrce1"][quote="EsqCaucasians"][quote="crnosrce1]These dogs are all well over what is preferred today... Archi and Zhen Shen, 32 inches and over 200 lbs... Mike[/quote] Zhen Shen is no where near 34 inches and 200 lbs.[/quote] So, I am to believe that you want me to disbelieve the people who have put their hands on both dogs and told me that Zhen Shen is 84cm and 95 KG and that Archi is 86cm and 100kg?? Because you say so?? I don't think so. Try peddling your crap on to some unsuspecting newbie. We all await for the reinforcements to start circling the wagons again. How are the snow scenting dogs coming? LOL[/quote] Archi is huge (outlier) and weighed in his prime 220lbs, Zhen Shen is a smaller but still moderately large dog and more typical for the breed. The line does not consistently produce huge dogs. Ignorance is bliss and I'll leave you to that, but other readers may be interested in more factual information than you provide on this breed you know very little about. Photo ZhenShen: