sadly then many breeds will face the same fate as the bullies have. Anyways, I give up, obviously this has turned into the pick apart and attack what TMmum has to say so I'm over it. That'll teach me to express my thoughts, perhaps there should be a sticky somewhere around here stating that " if you have an opinion, please make sure it is exactly the same as our previous members" Well, I'm off to build a wooden crate to confine Karma too, hopefully I can undo all the horrible socialization I have done with her and revert her back to what you all would rather see. I'll also save all my money up for the lawsuits that I am sure will follow in the upcoming years. Much better life for her to be aggressive like that and left behind right. What was I thinking????/