also as far as consistancy in health it is there you have to remember all of this occured over 17 plus years it hasnt just been recent, we are talking a lot of years lol I feel old when looking at it that way, but it wasnt like I had problems one after another it comes in waves, I went a long time with nothing going on but had a incident here and there, the two most troubling occurances was with the seizure pups which I started over and then the bloat which was when 2 pups from a litter of 5 bloated and this was a year in between the incidents with those two and the 3rd littermate occured during the time, enough pups with issues to stop the line and refocu and research what went wrong and if I am dealing with a genetic issue or outside effects, the rest of the bloat cases 3 in the last 4 years and the other 4 spread back in time, so it isnt like I had 92 dogs and all at one time everything on the list happened lol boy that would suck if it did, 2 bloat cases happened 16 and 14 years ago