Luigi, I will not say that your wrong in the whole, because the breed within it is dysplasia's and heart issues and skin problems, no one has ever tried to say they didnt, they have problems the same as any breed, but I do not think these problems arise at the rate that many think it does, I think many would be let down by a look at breeders vet records, I know first hand that sometimes you do get dogs with major issues but I think healthy ones outnumber them. Your percentages where do you get your facts from, a breeder you know ? or personal experience ? If I was to go by my dogs that I have owned over the years your stats are wrong, and I dont think just because the dogs lived with me something amazing occured and they were problem free, with as many different lines as I have had if the breed was as sickly as everyone claims then my instances would of been higher. I would have to sit down and do some serious thinking about how many dogs I have owned since the start of my involvment with the breed, how many pups produced co owned dogs and rescues passing through , I can tell you that I have had 1 case of hip dysplasia severe and the dog was put down 6 instances of seizures ( idiopathic ) in a litter of pups early in my breedings 1 case of ocd in a bred by pup 1 case of cardiomyopathy in a male I imported 1 case of hod in a male I imported 1 slipped disk at age 9 in a female cherry eye has been sporadic probably occuring about 20-25% of the time 1 torn acl injury caused 1 luxating patella injury caused no surgery to fix it, healed on its own, she is alive and 5 and no signs of problems no entropian or ectropian 1 demodex in a rescue male 1 bred by sold pup just died no autopsy done so I dont know the reason 9 cases of bloat 1 bred by pup that had both hip and elbow dysplasia 1 case wobblers Bloat is my biggest killer and number 1 worry within the breed. The above numbers are over a course of 17 years give or take, probably 30-35 adult mastini ( thats a rough number now I am curious and will have to research the exact number ) of dogs I have bought, and those bred and kept by me, or other wise passed through my care then litters of pups 12 pups, 14 pups 9 pups, 7 pups, 7 pups, 3 single pup litters= 3 pups, 5 pups going by the above I do not see 80% of joint problems. the highest % is bloat now this is debatable if it is enviromental or has a genetic base, I am 50/50 on the issue it can go away, I do know the majority of my bloat cases occured in a short time span of about 2 years, I dont know if it is over with but one element has been deleted from the scenario, the food ( exceed ). I have made more vet visits for routine care then for diesease, I have also made more vet visits for wounds from fighting or mishaps then diesease, so when I disagree on a message board about the health of the neo it is from my own experience with them. I have many friends in the breed and I dont know of anyone who has had a high incidence of genetic issues, I know we all have a bad run of luck a unhealthy litter for instance but most learn and cull from their breeding program or start over. Now I dont know if the breeder or dogs you know are different and if someone is having a 80% rate of dysplasia in their kennel they need to cull the whole works because that is a ridiculous number. This year after I lost the male to heart problems, the rest of my vet visits have been routie for shots and wormings, 1 visit for a skin condition which was a allergy issue, a recheck of the patella girl and had some maintenance and screenings done at the repro vet, pretty boring actually lol It does not bother me when people find my dogs ugly or not appealing to their tastes or even the breed as a whole being attractive to them, to each their own, but it is getting ridiculous the way people respond on this board to any neo photo that is posted, I think if people were honest one of their first reasons of dislike is the dogs looks, they dont like the droopy skin first off and the dog just doesnt appeal to them, but other then a couple of websites full of misinformation from a single persons view they dont have any of facts to go on. I think if these same people visited a kennel breeding nice solid dogs and spoke with breeders they would change their mind regarding issues, may still think the dogs are ugly but at least their would be honesty in their words. The hostility from others is boring, and instead of jumping on a post with rude words and insults more could be gained if people would not assume and ask instead, I always ask what experience a person has to back up their words, yet very seldom will anyone answer me honestly, they always beat around the proverbial bush, post the photos taken 50 years ago of dogs who were probably F1 cross's and sound angry about how the "show" breeders are ruining the breed, but never giving me a honest answer to my question, how do you know what experience do you have, did you read this or owned a neo with a issue, one day someone will come out and say 1 of two things, yes I owned neos with problems or 2 no i dont have any experience with the breed its just what I heard. Luigi I am more then willing to have a nice conversation regarding the neo, no you didnt attack me verbally but you did my breed which through out the years I have always maintained a great passion for, here I will extend the olive branch and apologize for directly calling you an idiot :) now as long as you do not insult my breed with mis-information we will get along fine, however I am very interested in knowing the base for your figures please tell us more about how you came to this conclusion.