This is a cross post from another thread. MASTIFF_medelyan wrote: [blockquote]i will post pictures of old dogues de bordeaux later, so you can see the difference between the dogue de bordeaux more than hundred years ago and now.[/blockquote] [blockquote]maybe they had the opinion that if the dogs aren´t able to guard and fight anymore they at least should look "mean" and have many wrinkles and short but broad muzzle.[/blockquote] The above photo's are claimed to be "old Dogues". However, I’m still a bit inclined to “Say it ain’t so Joe”. If anyone has any information to the contrary feel free to challenge me, but I'm still inclined to think that such old photos are Bandogs loosely called Dogues(?) (but then Babigirl played a trump card with her long muzzled Dogue de Bordeaux)! The dogs I’ve posted below are from the early 1900’s, one of them is of a notorious fighter dated 1910, the other is dated 1920. Both of them are short muzzled and look much the same as the breed standard calls for today.