[quote=troy]you got it all wrong pal. i am not a dog fighter PERIOD and certainly my question has nothing to do with who beat who. stick to the point of the topic :?[/quote]i never said you were? Basic facts state that the line"ruffian"was founded off of Tudors blackjack among other lines[colby],a game bred male carrying the diluted gene,thats why you find blue staffs in the ruffian line. The argument is made that blue comes from a closed gene pool and is a amstaff trait,not apbt trait,but the artical [provided only for historic reasons],states that there were infact a few blue apbts just prior to the registering of the amstaff in 1936... I believe off hand the first ch ruffian dog being a brindle/white dog named the "ruffian".It is a good staff strain in my opinion,much better than gaff or york[not so over done].heres a photo of ch ruffian born 1938 i believe original name "ukc brodway jones"..