[quote=LeeRobinson]Ok...go to the OFA website and look up the stats on the following breeds...breeds that were selected on the basis of function and ability to work and perform. Ask and you shall receive. http://www.offa.org/stats.html Remember though, the OFA testing didn't make these dogs great or terrible. What made them great was performance testing and what made them terrible is show breeding for non-function. It is always the same old same old nonsense from Brad...but Brad, some day I hope you open your mind to the truth...and wise up. Husky, APBT, and other HISTORICALLY working dogs seen in the best 25% best. The FIRST number is the rank (higher number being best, 1 being worst). The LAST number is the percent displastic (1ower being best, higher being worse). DOBERMAN PINSCHER 113 12814 17.7 6.1 KERRY BLUE TERRIER 114 1273 12.6 6.0 FINNISH SPITZ 115 292 17.1 5.8 AFGHAN HOUND 116 5950 28.9 5.8 AUSTRALIAN SHEPHERD 117 24292 15.2 5.8 SHIBA INU 118 2211 17.1 5.7 TIBETAN TERRIER 119 3148 29.6 5.7 DUTCH SHEPHERD 120 108 20.4 5.6 ENGLISH COCKER SPANIEL 121 5643 16.9 5.6 BELGIAN MALINOIS 122 1808 17.3 5.6 SCHIPPERKE 123 317 9.8 5.4 RHODESIAN RIDGEBACK 124 8748 21.0 5.4 IRISH WOLFHOUND 125 1382 26.2 5.4 NORTH AMERICAN SHEPHERD 126 327 16.5 5.2 DALMATIAN 127 2751 9.1 4.8 SHETLAND SHEEPDOG 128 15396 26.9 4.8 SOFT COATED WHEATEN TERRIER 129 5100 16.0 4.6 GERMAN SHORTHAIRED POINTER 130 12291 24.3 4.5 FLAT-COATED RETRIEVER 131 4236 17.6 4.4 BORDER TERRIER 132 1753 18.6 3.7 BELGIAN TERVUREN 133 4695 24.8 3.6 IBIZAN HOUND 134 245 35.1 3.3 BASENJI 135 1882 23.6 3.2 BELGIAN SHEEPDOG 136 3320 32.0 2.8 COLLIE 137 2459 28.1 2.7 GREYHOUND 138 298 36.6 2.3 RAT TERRIER 139 186 11.3 2.2 SIBERIAN HUSKY 140 15273 32.8 2.0 PHARAOH HOUND 141 352 15.1 2.0 CANAAN 142 346 16.2 2.0 AUSTRALIAN TERRIER 143 155 5.2 1.9 WHIPPET 144 106 30.2 1.9 BORZOI 145 789 30.7 1.8 SALUKI 146 241 43.2 1.7 GERMAN PINSCHER 147 208 25.0 1.0 ITALIAN GREYHOUND And then compare them to the worst 25% found in show dogs...such as... BULLDOG 1 383 0.3 73.9 PUG 2 342 0.0 62.6 DOGUE DE BORDEAUX 3 256 0.4 55.9 OTTERHOUND 4 280 0.0 50.7 NEAPOLITAN MASTIFF 5 136 0.7 48.5 ST. BERNARD 6 1960 4.2 46.7 CLUMBER SPANIEL 7 626 2.9 45.0 BLACK RUSSIAN TERRIER 8 170 2.4 44.7 SUSSEX SPANIEL 9 203 1.0 44.3 CANE CORSO 10 452 6.9 39.6 BOYKIN SPANIEL 11 1968 1.2 37.5 ARGENTINE DOGO 12 128 3.9 37.5 BASSET HOUND 13 186 0.0 36.0 FRENCH BULLDOG 14 419 1.2 33.9 AMERICAN BULLDOG 15 1328 5.1 32.8 NORFOLK TERRIER 16 172 0.0 32.0 PERRO DE PRESA CANARIO 17 115 3.5 30.4 FILA BRASILEIRO 18 574 7.3 29.1 ENGLISH SHEPHERD 19 207 6.8 25.6 NEWFOUNDLAND 20 12586 7.2 25.6 BLOODHOUND 21 2383 2.4 25.5 AMERICAN STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER 22 2367 1.9 25.4 LOUISIANA CATAHOULA LEOPARD 23 341 7.3 25.2 BULLMASTIFF 24 4500 3.6 24.5[/quote] Where are the statistic for the mutt,,,oh excuse me, I mean Bandog :roll: :roll: FYI: Your own distinction between "working" and "show" breeds is laughable. Shiba Inu are amongst the best (in good hip scores) and in Japan, Europe and the USA the Shiba in modern times such as these are 90% pets and showdogs while the English Shepard and the Catahoula are 90% on working farms and niether are recognized by either FCI or AKC. Nice try though.