http://club-ancae10.blogspot.com/ http://club-ancae14.blogspot.com/ just some pics of the official breed clubs pages. here you can see dogs in different tendencies, and in type........one kennel showing their 'librele' type. as for taking a trip to spain, i do so all the time and have met with cattlemen in both the north and supplied dogs to some in the west.............my friend Astorga has 'taped' interviews documenting accounts of cattlemen recorded in late '90's and of which one day he will write a book. no need for specualtion or invention of ideas or 'informed' conclusion then???? some still feel it worthwhile to write a 'book' based speculation or on others' speculation and misinformation......AND 'non sequitur' argument. those same people have no first or second hand knowledge and undoubtably will blush when their endeavours are shown to be of less value that than the paper upon which their folly is manifested.