[quote1298943709=LeeRobinson] One can see I already answered his questions as to why I chose the EM and the Tosa, but he doesn't like my answer since it doesn't fit into the hype stories he has read. I listed a numerical list as to what traits I desire and also explained why these traits are still present in both EM and Tosa...as well as which traits I found lacking in the Neapolitan [/quote1298943709] i have now only taken out the part of your post that was related to dogs and free from insults. who said i don´t like your answer and how can you say your answer doesn´t fit to the "hype stories" i have read about neopolitans. could you please tell me what kind of hype stories i have read according to you *-) i was always one of the guys who said that people who think the neopolitan is some kind of old roman war dog or the closest descendant of some ancient roman war dogs believes in a fairy tale. Tonedog disagreed with me a lot concerning the neopolitan and really believes they are very close to ancient roman war dogs. so who believes in breed hype? ;) lol i know on wikipedia you will also find stuff like "the neopolitan is a large ancient breed bla bla" even some books mention it, but people who know more about it, also know that there was no neopolitan mastiff before the piero scanziani (by the way he was a painter) tryed to create a dog he considered to be some kind of "true molossus" and all kinds of dogs were used and a handful of dogs he found in italy. lol and you have the nerves to say, that i believe in breed hype. :S however i have met a few neopolitans in my life and i don´t have seen them only for a few minutes and the dogs were definitely alert dogs with a good guarding instinct. (well, it´s no surprise as a combination of LGDs and mastiffs went into the neopolitan, so this is where the guardian temperament comes from) this was all i said in this thread and you make such a big deal out of it, come up with stuff that doesn´t have to do with the question at all, and bark like a yorkshire and later tonedog comes up and helps barking lol. lucero also used neopolitans because of the guarding instinct. you mentioned why you prefer tosas and i am fine with it. in this thread you and tonedog really behaved like drama queens. i don´t say you did not answer my question "why you prefer tosas to neopolitans in order to produce bandog type guard dogs", but you have mentioned so many other stuff that did have 0% to do with the thread. like i prefer stable, confident and not overly aggressive dogs, but still really distrustful towards strangers and aloof, i prefer discussion without so much nonsense and "barking" and drama. (well most of this stuff was in the other thread which has been deleted after tonedog´s last aggressive post, which again was completely off-topic) cheers sunnyAK