cawkazn wrote ... "why does every thread on this forum turn into an argument. a battle of who has the most dog knowledge. like that douchebag platz." This is true with Most threads on any forum ~if there is discussion then it tends to lead to an argument...Reason being is Everyone has had a different experience with what they know and have formed an opinion from that. I have been here for a looong time...In multiple names and let me say that the knowledge from Platz is missed here...And needed!.... Newbies and people with-out hands On breed experience should really be careful on burning bridges with breeders and trainers who are willing to sit here and offer help!