[quote=wookiebush]yeah a lot of various specialised working strains of dogs have *been around* for long periods of time but thats not the same thing as a recognised breed with a set type, set temperement, official lineage records and a standard older than a minute. the cata bullies are great workers, all of em, theres all kinds of subcategories and offshoot types differentiated from one another by the amount of and actual type of pit, ambull, bt, amstaff, blackmouth cur or whatever else used in making a cata bulldog or a cata pit and on top of that none of it matters to people who use these dogs whats in them or how they look or even act outside of catch work, so thats not a *breed* being around for a 100 years, thats a type or a popular cross being around for a long time by the act of the crosses being repeated, not by any type of blood lineage or actual continuation of the stock that existed 100 yrs ago. just addressing a part of your post, not bashing these dogs theres a growing number of *breeders* so buyer beware some really cool cata bulls out there and im sure you can find a sweet one not sure how cool would they be with your jrt[/quote] Okay, I get it now. What you just explained also explains or adds to my understanding of what I've read about quite a few other dogs. It's starting to make sense. I went to the baydog site linked above and read all the Q & A and most of the rest of the site. I'm thinking this isn't going to be the right dog. Thank you, and thanks to jaboa for the link.