[quote="DerangedWorld"][quote="natimastino"] No, youre very wrong, not everything is available for money in this world and especially fittest examples of Mastino. The owner of a famous Ponzano stud dog was offered I believe $200,000 (in the 1980's) and respectfully declined. My friend whom re-introduced me to Mastino doesn't even sell many puppies and they are absolutley going to people who he personally knows on a very intimate basis and if he doesnt find the absolutely perfect fit, he is glad to take all the pups if necessarry for he is jealous and guarded like most old Mastino breeders who keep the real thing. And dont think you're going to be getting a pick of the litter or anything. Take what is gifted for a fair price or get the f'out. Its about the dogs, always. You wont find the old timers posting on MD or guiding you to there websites and pimping there dogs out like a traded commidity. This i learned to be perfectly true after i visited to Italy 4 times now and each time i met a new breeder and new dogs that are owned by people who have absolutely no interest in the internet or selling for huge money. Some will ask larger prices but at the same time cos they know its worth it in their opinion and i know 1 breeder who declined 10,000 Euro for a female and was offered this by 4 breeders that i know off possibly more and later sold her for 1/2 that price to someone else. He was told of the site II Colosseo and his son asked for the address but still has never once came on to it and has no interest in such things. Seeming more than happy to continue as he has done the past 50 years. He introduced me to 4 other breeders with incredible mastini again that you have never seen the like of on any website and some actually stated not to publish photos to the internet. probably as other italians would recognise them and their homes and then they would get unwanted calls etc. I saw an incredible male that a very high profile breeder in Napoli offered 14,000 euro for 2 years ago and it was not for sale to them. Due to their love for the money and not for the dogs themselves. In Italy it is not uncommon for a breeder to gift a mastino to a fellow breeder and friend but i know of 1 breeder who sells excellent and healthy mastini for a much lower price than the others and is more happy that you are satisfied than for the $$$. In fact this breeder even made a gift of a puppy to a person in the USA and also to another person outside of Italy because he said he knew they could not afford to pay but they had passion. Also his late friend sold a pup to a lady and he asked a price. The lady came and collected and paid the fee. They then went for a meal and spent some time together as is common practice in Italy ( Not just pay and run) and he felt her passion and before she left that evening when he took her to the airport returned her 1/2 her money. As for if an EM is stronger than my ideal Mastino....I know there are some strong EM's out there but I will bet the farm on a select few Mastino I know of as being some of the most powerful dogs to walk the earth, IMO. Im 6'5' 280 or so and have played football my whole life (almost played pro) and have Greco-Roman wrestled and have done various other weight training and physically demanding activities that require brute strength. No man can match the raw power of a serious Mastino when he is locked in on something. Downright frightening to be honest and you begin to understand why the real Mastino is not popular or available to any idiot.[/quote] Again i would agree with this also from my own personal experiences and those of some close no BS friends. One only has to look at the gallery here and see some of the photos of anacronismo Tyson and flamina and kleopatra and thast the way those 3 dogs are for 2 hrs every morning and for an hour in the evening.[/quote] Well said and my experiences have been the same, Phil. You know whats up.