I have finally gotten around to reading this thread, and I wanted to jump in and say something about the Boz because I too have one, from Akin, a man who truly loves his dogs. My young female also pees when I approach her. I think this is out of submission to me, not fear. Because as a guard? She is already rallying to the fence with the older dogs, the Kangals, the mastines, etc. to sound an alarm. When my friend walked up to the porch, she rose up and challenged her. She is extremely sensitive, and loving. But already, I see the guarding instinct coming out in her. The peeing stuff....may be a breed trait? I do not equate it with fear. She is not afraid of me, no, or other people. And because of the potential of this breed, I would rather she be submissive to me now, and stay that way, than to grow up to be overly aggressive. She stands over her food and keeps off dogs 50x's her size. I would not call that a dog that is afraid. Many of Akin's dogs are out with shepherds, guarding livestock. I think many are quick to say they all just fight, that is not true. In fact it's gotten back to me that there is already in the US some Kangal breeders bad mouthing Boz (remember there are only FIVE in the US so for this to be going on already is very interesting!) as 'crossbred mongrels, mastiffs crossed on kangals and used only for fighting'. Which is a terrible shame and also a big lie. I personally don't belong to any US Kangal organization nor will I; I prefer to work with the Turks, and it is they who I turn to for advice and information; my couple of Turkish contacts here tread lightly, there is so much strife unfortunately, in the kangal world here in the US, with finger pointing and name calling, and baseless accusations (I was at one point labeled in support of dog fighting merely because I bought a Boz over here....!!!!! Such BS!). It is really too bad. I did not mean to digress but anyway I only add this to give another angle on a Boz pup from the same breeder, who I understand has been maligned by some for his fighting dogs in the past, but he does NOT fight them now, that I know for a fact...what people DO with the dogs they buy from Akin is their business, and I cannot speak for them. My girl Ekin is very brave, and already interested in the goats and that is what is important to me. Sensitive breed, extremely so. So wanting to be by my side all the time. I call that loyalty not fear. Again not wanting to argue here or offend anyone, just putting in my experience with the breed and what I have encountered - unfortunately - with some kangal breeders connected to the parent club here in US. :~(