[quote=oktug]This was what I have been trying to explain. This is Garip and he is from Nevşehir region. He was not a Malaklı. (Of course this was my opinion again :D :D )He was huge and looked impressive so the owners bred him with whatever dog they found. They did not make a distinction whether it was a Kangal, a malaklı, or...you name it. Now Annihilus I don't know where you got your dog from but I assure you that your dogs father is definetely not Garip. He is resting in peace since 2002 and your dog is 2.5 years old. Sorry... :( :( Besides your dog does not look anything like Garip's family. There is one thing certain that your dog is a Malaklı though. [/quote] Don't be sorry, I am happy to find out so thank you for this. I took this dog from it's previous owner at 5 months because he could not take care of him. He was certain Garip was the father. For me it doesn't matter, I just wanted to give him a good home and I am very happy I did so. I think I can never find out about his family now.