[QUOTE]And those great ones get recognition for being amazing examples of XYZ breed[/QUOTE] Well thankfully not in australia, we'll just call them "mastiff crosses", because we for the most part can't be bothered making up silly breed names (with one notable exception who makes up enough for the whole continent). I don't think they need to be crossed to a wolfy dog btw, they can be crossed with just about anything, even crossed together as long as they're worked hard, culled hard and selected for their ability to perform. Here an outstanding neo x bm, two "ruined breeds", but someone forgot to tell this serious working boardog.