[quote=TiagoF]"we shouldn´t take these dogs and their temperament for granted but when I said that and LGD will show what he´s made of when needed I was thinking of a good working dog." And which test would determine a good working dog? Tiago[/quote] The best test is indeed work the dogs in their "natural enviroment". Nothing is better than that. Any person that use their LGD dogs as LGD 24h//7h will know who are the best, and who is able to do their works and how isn't - well, those who aren't able will be elimaneted by natural selection. But, unfortunally, not many breeders work their dogs and many of them only focus on "shows", and when talking about working breed is not a good thing ... So, if we cannot work our dogs, if we do love the breed and we are agains't fighting or any "ancetral tests" it's time to make a new kind of test .. why not make a simple TAN, testing corage and "protective instints" ? Nanci