[quote=faughs]yes charlotte, i worked with media group and was able to talk to these sheperds first hand through translator, their family's have been working this region years, if their teretory crosses borders it doesent matter to them they get on with there work and follow there flocks, i understand that they could have been another breed, but as i was told kangal and they had black masks who am i to argue. apart from that fascinating dogs.[/quote] Dear Faughs, I saw a documantery from Iran. It was about Shepherds who made a loung journey with their flock and dogs. The Working Shepherd dogs i saw looked around 30 kilo with longer hair then the Turkish Shepherd dogs kangals. It's possible to see a few of them wo could have a type of the kangal..But till know im not convince also in numbers it will not be the same as the kangal. In some citys in Turkiye you can see streetdogs who has black masks weighting 25 kilos.. From Iran. From Irak - the dog here has more the mouth of a Fox