Importing Kangal (Rules)?

[quote=desiree]because they are here doesnt mean it goes by a legal way,isnt it? They robb a banc too doesnt mean its legal :D :D :D[/quote] :D Yes... It's not logic Desiree, they also say "Exporting Kangal out the Sivas Province is illegal :?: Strange, they dont now how to handle and control. What would they do when a customs duty officer asked the owner from the pup if its a kangal? What would they do if the owner say "no its a mix? they cant see it :) . This happens.

[quote=desiree]well i was reading in the other topic taht they stole a sheap and put it in the car and find out it was a co so i bet they have no idea :D :D :D Weird world[/quote] :lol: :lol: Als we een klein chirurgische ingreep zouden laten doen bij een volwassen kangal kan het heel makkelijke geexporteerd worden. Zoals bijvoorbeeld de oren strak naar boven trekken :) dan denken ze bij de douane dat het een soort Duitse herder is maar dan in een andere kleur :)

[quote=desiree]zoals een extra grote mechelaar lol.[/quote] Nee geen Belg alstublieft :D :lol: Laten we de geimporteerde kangal integreren in Nederland.. :) Cursus Hollands blaffen..Dan wordt het een extra grote Keeshond. En nog een Geert Wilders pruikje op dan heb je echt een supergeintegreerde Kangalkeesje.. :lol:

[quote=desiree]het mag geen belg zijn maar wel een duitser??? :D :D :D :D aks ik een kangal zou willen zou het toch the mastif soort zijn maar dat is nu niet belangryk.Voorlopig heb ik een rus in huis hahahaha Groetjes Des[/quote] :lol: Als je eens toch een extra hond wil nemen en je gaat het liefst voor de Turkse Mastif type?. Dan zou ik goed navragen en checken, zover ik weet wordt je er in Turkije bij wijze van spreken mee doodgegooit. Hoe groter groffer deste mooier en veel geld verdienen. Er wordt vaak niet gekeken of het HD heeft of inteelt of wat dan ook...als er maar wordt gefokt en verkocht... :) :wink:

Dear friends it is illegal to take kangals out of Turkey bet people keep taking them out illegally. This decision was made by the Ministry of Agriculture because they do not know the exct numbers and think they are in danger of extinction. Turkish Kennel Club is working on changing this and in very near future this will cahange because there are many dogs going out of the country uncontrolled.Many of them are mixes and this is not good for the represantation of the breed. Also district goverment of Sivas region made it illegal to take dogs out of the province which is complately nonsence. In the first week of May we will have meetings in Dortmund to found the International Kangal Dog Club.This club will work with the Turkish Kennel Club.Best wishes to all our friends.Onur.

you can get a kangal from turkey, legally. You can even get it from the state Kangal farms, no problem what so ever. from the state farms, expect some month of waitingtime. From a private breeder, you can buy it right away, if you can convince him, that you can give the Kangal a perfect Kangal life. Wich is quite demanding, because the Kangal like his freedom Its not illegal, its only controlled..

Dear friend, you can buy a puppy from wherewer you like but it is forbidden to take any Turkish breed of dogs out of the country. I live here and work on this.I think I know the rules and regulations.Although it is not controlled in Sivas region it is not legal to take a puppy even out of this region without a permission. Lets assume you took the puppy.When you go to the customs if they understand that you have a kangal puppy they will not let you take it out of the country.

Onur.. I dont want to be disrespecfull, but I got a kangal 3 days ago out of turkey, without any problems. He have a passport and everything. Comstum officers even pet him and told about the kagals they know

Well, you were lucky then. Did you fly?What was written in his or her papers? I believe you but I know the rules for sure.May be that particular custom officer did not mind or did not know the rule. I am not against kangals going out of the country.I am glad that you were able to get it out.There are many friends who would like to get them.I am sure that every true bred kangal going out of the country will help to get the recognition of the kangals by the FCI.Best wishes.Onur.

I will check this issue out with the ministry of agriculture tomorrow and find out if they have changed the rules recently but I do not think they did. As a result of our efforts they were working on this issue.

it was my brother who was flying with him.and papers said kangal.. When I googled on kangal, I found one of the stetefarms homepages. there is was possible to buy a kangal out of turkey, but with some waitingtime.. since your from turkey.. cant you give me some tip on how to raise a kangal puppy?? (especially the training/mental part)

Dear Susen, I saw the picture of your pup and the pictures of the so called parents which were fake. I am sorry to say but that puppy is not a pure bred kangal.Without a black mask.Muzzle is also too pointed. A person who send you pictures that he found on the internet can very well find a way to get the pup out of the country.I am sure he arranged two pasports one with a kangal name on it and one mixture. I hope the puppy will have a good life with you and you will enjoy being his friend. I am saying again that unfortunatly it is not legal to take pure bred Kangals out of the country .It is a shame but true.Best wishes.

onur.. it was my brother who was in turkey and took the puppy, so there was only one passport. Lets se what the puppy will grow up to become. Yes he have a white markening in the face, wich is not typical, but I have seen so may photos, of grown up kangals that dosent have the typical mastiff like head eighter, but more pointy faces. The puppy was, in a very bad food condition when we got him. Maybe a good diet, will change his apperance after a while. If you look at his front legs, you can se this typical swollowing around his joints, that comes from the lack off A;C;D;E vitamine. He is not from a fancy breeding, but the simple farmers kangal puppy. the father is a rescue from a fight, who was left to die, and the mother was from the local willage. His double fur, moovements and reaction is very typical. maby he is just no beautyqueen and that is allso not important. My interest in this puppy, is the mentality, and how he can work. This dog is not acting like any other breed, I have ever been cloose to. He even mooves different. He makes these funny tacklings with the back part of his body, when he play, and he is more dominant than any puppy, I have ever seen before. And he is amazingly brave allready. Try to enter the house as a stranger, and this little man will stand in the middle off the dor, and try to growl you away. Go towords him, and he will not back off, but continue. When the fox enters our proberty, this little fellow will chace him away imiddialy. the fox is 10 times bigger than him. Not even a corso pup in that age, would do that. and he is soo fast, when he mooves, like a cat In my own breed (cane corso), I have seen so many pedigree dogs in sweden, that didnt look like cane corso at all. wrong body, wrong head and so much white. All things that is not typical for the breed, according to the standart, and things you would never se, outside of skandinavia. But they are pure breed dogs, going to shows. If the kangal cant leave turkey, how can there be kangal breeders, all over the world? anyway.. pure or not pure, this dog is different in all ways, and will be so interesting to study, as he grow up

[quote=Charlotte]I am very interested in the Kangal breed and maybe, sometime in the future I would be interested in bringing one home from Turkey. I know that several people in Denmark own this breed. Though I have heard that it is illigal to import the Kangal from Turkey to Denmark - Possibly because it is a national and rare breed of dog, but I am not sure - Is it true - If so, why?[/quote] May be it's a nederland breeder, may be that site will to interest you, but I don't know if it's the kind of dog that you want for you futur breeding ! regards ! this is the links : http://fr.youtube.com/user/kangaldogs http://kangaldogs.nl/index.php

[blockquote]I am very interested in the Kangal breed and maybe, sometime in the future I would be interested in bringing one home from Turkey. I know that several people in Denmark own this breed. Though I have heard that it is illigal to import the Kangal from Turkey to Denmark - Possibly because it is a national and rare breed of dog, but I am not sure - Is it true - If so, why? [/blockquote] since about 3 years it is forbidden to import dogs from third countries in the EU.The conditions are that the dog is at least 7 months old , microchipped, and have his titer tests. Unfortunatly many turks tried to smuggle puppies to Germany and quite a few were caught at the border. The puppies were immediatly confiscated and set in quarantaine for 4 months, €15.- a day. Plus the high fees for not following the health and deseases laws. France and Holland are also very strickt, because these countries have been declarated rabies free and do not want to loose this status..

[quote=corso_pride]onur.. it was my brother who was in turkey and took the puppy, so there was only one passport. [/quote] it is not legal to take a Kangal out of Turkey, but also not difficult.I think it is quite a useless and meaningless law. I know that to take a puppy [u]legally[/u] from Turkey into Sweden is actually impossible without a long and expensive quarantaine. How did your brother managed that?

How does one get a pure bred kangal? This is one of the best looking dogs I have ever seen I would love to get one. I have dealt with rottweilers, German Shepard's in past. I'm sure there must be some breeders not in turkey.

[quote=faughs]yes charlotte, i worked with media group and was able to talk to these sheperds first hand through translator, their family's have been working this region years, if their teretory crosses borders it doesent matter to them they get on with there work and follow there flocks, i understand that they could have been another breed, but as i was told kangal and they had black masks who am i to argue. apart from that fascinating dogs.[/quote] Dear Faughs, I saw a documantery from Iran. It was about Shepherds who made a loung journey with their flock and dogs. The Working Shepherd dogs i saw looked around 30 kilo with longer hair then the Turkish Shepherd dogs kangals. It's possible to see a few of them wo could have a type of the kangal..But till know im not convince also in numbers it will not be the same as the kangal. In some citys in Turkiye you can see streetdogs who has black masks weighting 25 kilos.. From Iran. From Irak - the dog here has more the mouth of a Fox

[quote=Sonmezer] In some citys in Turkiye you can see streetdogs who has black masks weighting 25 kilos.. [/quote] I have interest in a male like you describe weighing around 35kg. Are they easy to find?

[quote=annihilus"][quote="Sonmezer] In some citys in Turkiye you can see streetdogs who has black masks weighting 25 kilos.. [/quote] I have interest in a male like you describe weighing around 35kg. Are they easy to find?[/quote] yess of course you can find them, for free if you can catch them in the streets, not only in Turkiye. You got them also in the streets of Bulgary, Romania. Maby in the streets of San Fransisco? i will ask it to inspector Steve Keller :)