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Feeding a Raw Diet

For anyone interested in feeding a raw diet, there is now a very good resource page at www.rawfeddogs.net which was started by a member of the Yahoo group called Rawfeeding. I've raised 3 Caucasian Ovcharka puppies on a raw diet from weaning and they are in superb condition. The site and group mentioned here do not follow the BARF model, since a carnivores diet generally doesn't include veggies, and BARF is often unnecessarily complex and expensive compared to the prey model which is based on raw meaty bones. If you've looked at BARF and decided it was too complex or time consuming, check out this alternative to a less processed, grain free way of feeding. I've had dogs all my life, 3 on commercial dog foods including kibble before I got my first CO and switched to raw (what his breeder fed). I would never go back, the differences in health, fitness, and general calm are striking.


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    • Feeding BARF is a common sense way of enriching your dogs life and diet. However, the forum here is not a know all, end all. If you are interested in switching your dog to a more natural diet, please do your homework. Read everything and make good decisions. This forum is to educate and entertain, Molosserdogs.com, nor the contributor of the information has no liability or responsibility to any damage cause or alleged to be cause by the information posted here. This forum is a place to share ideas, feel free to contribute. thank you Admin
      • Das Fährte von BARF ist eine vernünftige Methode, um das Leben und die Erfahrung deines Hundes zu bereichern. Das Forum hier ist alles nicht alles wissen, alles gehört. Wenn Sie daran interessiert sind, haben Sie bitte Ihre Hausaufgaben. Lesen Sie alles und treffen Sie gute Entscheidungen. Dies Forum dient der Aufklärung und Wahrnehmung von Molosserdogs.com, und der Mitwirkungde der Informationen, die keine Berechtigung oder der Verantwortung für die Verantwortung, die durch die hier Informationen gegeben werden, die verursacht werden oder verursacht werden. Dieses Forum ist ein Ort, ein Sie Ideen austauschen und Beiträge funktionieren können. Danke Admin

        Habe da keine Erfahrung auf keinen Fall zu viel Vitamine C es kann zu Nierenversgen kommen !!!!!!!


      • Hi Platz, Paco's opinions are sound. The personal jab was not necessary. If you have a counter point to the argument lets read it. With that said - I am feeding my dogs Raw meat, veggies and other crap mixed in with it. That is my choice. Any usefull info provided by anyone on this site will be acknowledged by me and where appropriate incorporated in my feeding program. I would rather feed meat and bones than bagged kibble since I don't have a bunch of wild animals running around my yard. :) It is the best I can do right now.

        I always wanted to feed raw but could not until I found a reasonable supplier. Would you mind telling me how/what you feed yours. As stated by Paco - dog feeding is a personal choice. It also depends on the means and availability of food varieties. So, the more informed we are about the choices we have the better we should take care of feeding our dogs.

        Not right, not wrong - just different. It is about choices. All the best.

        • [quote=Estrela]Feeding BARF is a common sense way of enriching your dogs life and diet. However, the forum here is not a know all, end all. If you are interested in switching your dog to a more natural diet, please do your homework. Read everything and make good decisions. This forum is to educate and entertain, Molosserdogs.com, nor the contributor of the information has no liability or responsibility to any damage cause or alleged to be cause by the information posted here. This forum is a place to share ideas, feel free to contribute. thank you Admin[/quote] Let us not forget what Cindy said when she started this thread. Still good advice.
          • [quote=Paco]Domestic dogs and feral dogs seem to be garbage disposals that can thrive on a wider variety of foods than their wild counterparts, especially wolves. I just wish someone could explain why.[/quote]

            I'll give it a try to explain why domestic dogs thrive on a wider variety of foods than their wild counterparts. Dogs already live a long time together with humans. Depending on the source already for 10 000 - 30 000. No matter what the origin was (Wolf, etc.) the dogs living with us lived different lives than their wild relatives. For food they were now mostly dependent on what humans provided and spilled. Hence the fact that meat and animal protein was a luxury for most humans for a long period of time and still is in large parts of the world people would not be very keen on providing this precious food to their four legged friends. In stead they would have been provided with food items which were readily available and in plenty supply. Most parts of slaugthered animals would have been used for personal consumption which in fact meant meant all parts. Again today we are spoiled with the prime cuts but people in the past ate almost the entire animal including tongue, organs, marrow (soup). This was not a choice of taste but one of scarcity. The dogs would have been provided with the parts that remained which meant bones which were cooked clean, etc. Food items which were readily available were usually grains, potato's etc.

            Typically stuff that the dogs wild cousins would not eat in large amounts. With this in mind selection jumps in. Individual dogs which had a need for high animal protein diets would not have done well. Dogs which had a bigger tolerance for low quality food would have performed better and probably lived longer. The low tolerance dogs probably have less chance to breed due to shorter life span and not being selected for breeding by the human owners. (you won't breed with a dog in bad condition / sickly life and or high feeding demand.) Over time this meant that the average tolerance for low quality foods and a larger amount of food items in dogs increased resulting in your observation that dogs can thrive on a wider variety of foods than their wild counterparts. By the way With this I do not mean that low quality / low animal protein food is the right food for dogs. It just gives an explanation why dogs can manage better than their wild counterparts on these diets. Another similar thing People look at the wolf's diet as an example of what a dog should need. But who says that the diet wolves eat in the wild is the right one.

            Life in the wild is tough for wolves. They cannot shop for the right nutrients (and how should they know?) they simply go for the easiest prey and shop for calories. Also which wolf would you take as an outgoing position. There are various populations of wolves and their used to be a lot more. All had their own diets. Typically wolves in the North prey on larger animals (and are also bigger)than their southern relatives. Typically wolves are highly adaptable like us. Who says what a certain wolf or wolf population is eating is the right diet? Its like debating whether Chinese food is better than Italian. Both diets both have their strong points as their weak points but neither is the perfect diet. We all know that McDonalds isn't the most healthiest food for us and the same principle counts for dogs. But who says that high quality commercial food is bad for a dog or any other type of food.

            We still know so little about our own diet let alone the dogs diet. So why all this complacency about what everybody is feeding their dog. Who says you do it right and another person wrong? We still know so little though we think the opposite. There are more roads leading to Rome so I would say that if what you are feeding your dog fits your wallet and lifestyle and the dog is doing well what's the point? You can still learn more on these forums but keep in mind there is no totally right way of feeding your dog.

            • The member who posted this text was banned - and the post is depricated.
              • thats the main staple of the dosa diet....whole uncooked chickens...thrown into a meat grinder bones and all...got that one straight from the source....and their dogs are huge
                • LeLe......these chickens were raw...whole chickens...bones...guts...beaks...feet...everything but the feathers...ground up with rice...pasta..tables scraps....a coarse hamburger style grind
                  • This was such a good topic on the subject of feeding a raw diet - so lets continue it.

                      • I spent a LOT of time trying all these different raw feeding methods. I have a trainer/breeder who feeds whole prey model. 1 of my dogs come from a breeder of over 65 years under her belt who feeds human grade items with a lot of supplementation.  Plus a lot of other ways suggested here or there. None of them worked perfectly.  I have one dog who will barf in the early a.m.  Another that will yak up bone he hasn't totally chewed, it goes back down & he's fine. Over the last 28 years, I have finally found a way that seems to work for my dogs.  I am sharing because it's from reading what others do that I learned how to do what I do & kept experimenting until I found the right balance.  (My vets may not really be pro raw but have told me not to change what I do so... there is that).


                        So here's what we do...

                        In the a.m. we feed a piece of chicken, turkey, beef, venison, lamb, etc... with bone in (bone, skin (minus feathers or fur). This helps with the muscles, teeth, gums, jaws, etc...  a ladle of dog soup (more on this later), 1 raw egg.
                        ******** we do not feed pork or bear in any form (cooked or raw)


                        p.m. 2 ground meat patties (more on this later), 1 ladle of dog soup, & any supplements needed based on the dog. A handful of alfalfa/Timothy grass pellets by Standley for horses.  (Yes, I have spent HOURS on the phone with the people at this company & this grass is very very carefully handled so it's safe & yes I have tested it/had it tested. It tested clean).


                        - Dog soup:  1 pound cheap ground beef boiled in a large soup pot.  Add 2-3 tablespoons parsley (dried or double it for fresh), 1/8-1/4 teaspoon of turmeric, 1 heaping spoon of minced garlic (yep, I know I will get slapped for this but I've been using garlic for 25 years with dogs with no ill consequences)
                        I use a food processor & shred 4 large carrots, 1-3 apples (cored & seeds removed)depending on their size, & the rest of my food processor is filled with shredded potatoes (regular but will occasional add 1 sweet potato).
                        All of this goes on the stove top & is brought to a boil. When the veggies are about half done I add ONE of the following: 1 pound of pasta, 2 cups of washed rice, 2-3 cups of organic oatmeal, or 3 cups barley  (these items are ROTATED & not used all the time.  Still trying to find a source for the ancient sorghum grain
                        ****** my crew is very active & when I don't use the dog soup... my dogs get so skinny they go beyond what is just lean & hard.  So I have tested & fed without it. I end up feeding ridiculously amounts of meat/bones & the dogs coats get off. With this soup... gorgeous, not too lean but never fat dogs


                        Meat Patties:  We bought a Weston meat grinder that is capable of grinding soft bones (chicken, rabbit, duck).  Meat & veggies are rotated & often depend on what's available but here is a general idea of the blend:

                        10 pounds ground beef
                        5-6 pounds apples (cored, seeds removed)
                        6 pounds carrots  (raw carrots & cooked carrots provide some different things)
                        6-8 ounces flax oil
                        Brewers Yeast (I just liberally sprinkle throughout the mix, around 1/2 pound in this much meat mix
                        20-30 pounds chicken/turkey with bones in whack it down so it fits through the grinder slot & let Mr. Weston do it's job.
                        2 bundles of fresh parsley
                        1 head of one of the following: broccoli, cauliflower, or equivalent of other dog safe veggie or fruit, or a pound of kale.
                        Either a package of chicken livers, hearts, gizzards, or a pack of beef liver, heart, other beef, sheep, goat organs. Beef GREEN tripe is a treasure trove of enzymes for dogs but you gotta have a strong stomach to deal with it (do not use the bleached stuff in grocery stores... they killed it with the bleach).

                        This recipe can be adjusted to suit your dogs' needs.  I take cookie sheets, cover with wax paper. I've weighed the portion from my ice cream scooper & it equals 1/2 pound so I portion it out like that, flatten them a little & layer. Freeze, then bag them until used.

                        -I don't use dairy except for 3 days after I give heartworm preventative or dewormer. Seems to help the gut deal with any flora & fauna murdered by the dewormer/anti-heartworm. I will give keifer or goats milk from time to time.

                        Since we've hit this mixture of how we do things... I have had no early a.m. runs to the door before the one dog gets sick or anymore dogs yakking up part of a chunk they didn't get chewed up.  And they still get raw meaty bones that are not meals but canine dentistry tools. Maybe someone might find some benefit in what we do. I know people who shared what they do have surely helped us solve some dog feeding issues.

                      • We had raw diet for our dogs once. They ended up vomiting and being very passive. They spend a two days in a clinic and after that we only order hills prescription diet food for sensitive stomachs from pet meds online. They feel much better now and we are not going back to raw again.

                        • Hi @ellielo Thank you for sharing your experience. Though raw feeding is not for everyone and probably not every dog, I would like to know more as it may guide our recommendation to others. We have very large dogs and have been feeding Raw since 2003 with no issues and many benefits.

                          What dogs dogs do you have? What was your raw food ingredients and preparations?

                          I have a friend who buys his raw food ready made from some online store for his two Alaskan Malamutes. They are on it for 8 years now.

                          • I'm interested in knowing how did you introduce your dog to raw? Most dogs have sensitive stomachs. When introducing a different meal it is vital that you start slowly. If not they may get an upset stomach. It's not because it was raw. Most likely because how it was introduced. You start be mixing what they normally eat with a small portion of new food. Maybe after a couple days of doing this a little of the regular and more of the new. Continue this pattern until all the food is new. Then you can see how the dog responds to the food. You add variety one at a time following the same schedule. You can tell which food the dog was good with or allergic to.

                          • This thread was started in 2003 and is still one of my favorite forum posts. Thanks to all who have contributed to it.... wow, 19 years ago.

                          • @villarreal @eliteguardianpresa @ellielo Good information about raw feeding is always difficult to find and sometimes is contradictory. However, I found this site and this link, which is a beginners guide raw feeding. Check it out and let us know what you think.

                            • My dog, who serves as the juice wrld store security guard, is currently acting sick and not eating anything. Please advise me on what I should do.

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