vilison i know the same as you about what you say, pm me if you want to get specific. out crossing has its place in breeding dogs the same as line breeding and inbreeding, i have my own views on that, but i know that don kept game dogs, and when you use a line such as this with no outcrosses , to outcross to another line you get more athletes in a litter , that still has gameness, if you are not testing your line over the years it will lose percentage of good ones, no matter what eventually. look at the machobuck dogs and the like , 4 pure families outcrossed together making super dogs when they line up, but they come from distinct pure families that not as right as the offspring. the red boy line pure cant take it in the fast lane , some do, but percentage of all round athletes goes down , but gameness stays up. the way those dogs , at least from rod and some of the purer alligator dogs, i see on the same level of the old lines that went into the newr crosses being used. i think alot can be credited about a cross itself of close ken. pm me i know a thing or two about a thing or two.