[quote=webwench]Do you think the Bandog is really necessary considering that there is the Neo, Corso, presa, rotts and bull's...Why do we need Bandogs?[/quote] Actually, this is an interesting point! webwench, I hate to dump your post on its head, but most of the dogs you listed ARE Bandogs. Right, it depends on what your definition of a Bandog is, but all of those breeds, save the Rottweiler, are heavily out-crossed and hardly consistent in type, or even function. If anything, there are Bandog breeders who are doing as well or better at consistently producing healthy & effective working dogs. I don't care what Lee and GRBandog's opinions are of each other, but I'm willing to believe that each is working to create a strain of effective protection dogs. IMO, that's what matters most. Seriously, what's the point of a breed? I'm not saying we don't need breeds, but is there really a difference betw. the Irish Setter and Gordon Setter? How about the English Mastiff and St. Bernard? I'll never knowingly criticize any man's hardwork. I just think that breeding for effective, healthy and stable dogs is the most important thing. Form will follow from there. Some thoughts: The original BullMastiff was a type, not a breed. Cronscre (Mike) spoke of a dog so badass it had to be put down. The dog was simply an English Bulldog-Boxer cross (F1).