carlos i dont think this post is the grounds for a show vs working debate, as far as I am concerned I could care less what type the dog is thats the owner/breeders prerogative and I wont get on here and judge the looks of the dog because it isnt mine and maybe not of my personal tastes it isnt my beef to tell someone what they should own or what they should like,you dont see me picking the dog apart based on its looks or lack of because it is pointless to do so, just dont think we should turn this into a show vs working type pissing match cause it is a big deal and not the place for it. The same with the condition of the dog really, although I still feel like it is in extremely poor condition, and although I did post and say to feed it ( what I think is the right thing to do ) if the owner wishs to keep the dog in this shape then it is their choice, but I do feel sorry for the dog and probably yes that comes from where I live and how we treat our dogs in the country, I wouldn't let a female get into this shape nor would I breed a very young dog, but what is not acceptable to some is common place for others, sometimes sad and inhumane [/quote]