12,5% APBT x 12,5% English Bullmastiff x 25% Fila x 50% Neo

A new blood from my Yard. Redcapo's Tufão x Old Neopolitan These litter could be a nice line... The parents have all the temperament required for working. The mother , neo, come from a old bloodline selected in a North of Minas Gerais State from 70's. http://www.negociorural.com.br/bandog/bbm/ninhada1.jpg The Father is one of my best stud and the Filas line from him comes from São Jose da Lapa Strain. http://www.negociorural.com.br/bandog/bbm/tufao.jpg

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The bitch needs some groceries. What is wrong with her skin? Sorry, she does not resemble a Neo.

I tend to agree on the dog not looking much like a Neo (other than colour) but it could be because she is so young herself. Would be nice to know her actual age?

A conformation show Neo never survivor in these environmental thats way these bloodline have been selecting.The farmers in brasil use to get just milk and corn to theirs dogs. Actually she got litter in poor condition , food and care, and she resemble the old line of Santoro Ardolino, and the voice of her is from good neo also the short face. The guardian instinct and Temperament is amazing and she get very well with horses and cattle, some characteristic very important to me. The rusticity is the major focus of the cross. The base of my dogs are fila and APBT and always will be but also any good molossos are welcome, like English Bullmastiff, Dogue de bordeaux, English Mastiff, Neos etc,.

I am still waiting for the age of the dog??? I dont see nothing wrong with cooking ground maize (white corn) and adding milk if there are other foods added which should include protein. Many dog foods in Africa are maize based and there is nothing wrong with them. As for it having to look like that to survive the enviroment well that is a crock of !@*% because my dogs live on farm land with horses and cows and have no problem with living around them. And mine dont size them up for the best hind quarter. I would be more worried about the dog chasing the livestock if it doesnt get fed properly. Female looks like it was too young to have a litter and really if it was bred just to use for your own personal business then why are they put on here. Do you intend to sell them?

Not really harsh comments considering another member who bred HER dogs and sold HER pups from a mixed breeding and got a lot of stick about doing the breeding in the first place. Even though all the pups were healthy heavy and mother looked great. I am just fed up with hearing 'working dogs' so that leaves the excuse to underfeed and then advertise pups. If the dog was shown seperate from the pups it would be shame on you etc., I find it insulting so Im sure members who breed working dogs must feel much the same. Yes a dog looses weight when having pups and need that extra to maintain her weight, that is not the point. Even the poorest hunter will tose his beloved companion part of the kill as a thank you for helping him feed himself. Different strokes for different folks and understanding different cultures is much easier today with the help of the internet. If you can afford the internet.....say no more.. Sad really sad

[quote=Drooln]The bitch looks like crap.....feed it..........and something more then corn and milk. Is the sores on her back demo brought on by stress from having a litter ? Or is it nutritionally based ?[/quote] Yes, probably the stress of the enviromental and of course the litter. These bloodline have been selecting using theses nutritional based. The bitch looks like crap i know... The beauty Neo its not our focus let them for Show Dogs owners . The most difficult in any pure breed to live in farm is to get along with chicken, cattle , horses, etc,. I know many of farmers that search for Old Filas strain , just because they modern filas (show) eat too much and like to kill chicken... If i have using conformation show Neo probably will be the same.

[quote=lynnicks]I am still waiting for the age of the dog??? I dont see nothing wrong with cooking ground maize (white corn) and adding milk if there are other foods added which should include protein. Many dog foods in Africa are maize based and there is nothing wrong with them. As for it having to look like that to survive the enviroment well that is a crock of !@*% because my dogs live on farm land with horses and cows and have no problem with living around them. And mine dont size them up for the best hind quarter. I would be more worried about the dog chasing the livestock if it doesnt get fed properly. Female looks like it was too young to have a litter and really if it was bred just to use for your own personal business then why are they put on here. Do you intend to sell them?[/quote] The owner of the female had deal with my partener to use our dog Redcapo's Tufão, because he pondering that the cross will improve the Neo bloodline tobe efficiently in his farm. He get one male to be a couple of her bicht and sent most of them to neighbors. I get 3 females to see the cross works. I have tested today the dogs using the Jonnhy Courville guardian test for puppies at the age of 30-45 days old and i am proud of the result, comparing with my own best line for guardian propose.

[quote=lynnicks]Not really harsh comments considering another member who bred HER dogs and sold HER pups from a mixed breeding and got a lot of stick about doing the breeding in the first place. Even though all the pups were healthy heavy and mother looked great. I am just fed up with hearing 'working dogs' so that leaves the excuse to underfeed and then advertise pups. If the dog was shown seperate from the pups it would be shame on you etc., I find it insulting so Im sure members who breed working dogs must feel much the same. Yes a dog looses weight when having pups and need that extra to maintain her weight, that is not the point. Even the poorest hunter will tose his beloved companion part of the kill as a thank you for helping him feed himself. Different strokes for different folks and understanding different cultures is much easier today with the help of the internet. If you can afford the internet.....say no more.. Sad really sad[/quote] She is not my dog , so i cant impose the owner to breed his own dog in my way. I dont agree with the style of the owner of these female, but the farmers in all over the world have different ideas compare with urban way to live.

Fair enough I was not aware it wasnt your dog and as you havent answered my original question of age, obviously it is a very young dog. Yes I agree you cannot force your beliefs on others but am I right in understanding it is your dog as stud? As I said it is different in other countries but as we educate each other there should some understanding of our culture as we of yours. I do not live in an Urban society and am fully aware of what happens outside of Australia. It makes no difference where you live if you show people from many different societies and belief then you should expect some negitive comments. Perhaps explaining what you hoped to achieve would of gone a long way although the picture was sad. Lets hope she manages to cope with the pups and you do achieve what you set out to do with the owner of the female. Good Luck and maybe next time before you allow your dog to father pups find out if the female is of a fair age. That would be within your own beliefs and not controlling others, would it not?

She probably has the sores from rubbing on the wood and not eating enough my first rotti got very thin with her litter dispite the fact she could eat as much as she wanted she only had 7 pups. I think the dog is functional with more weight which will come back she is probably the way Neo's use to be in the last century. I feel sorry for some of the fat wrinkled top show dogs that can barely see past all the wrinkle over their eyes or bite with all that useless skin padding the bite and a working dog in the heat can't drool much it's survival depends on it Italy is still hot also. So you say the Neo's came to the area in the 70's mabye they came earlier or they got the second recreated Neo's from the 70's not the 20's or earlirer when Brazil was first found. Brazil is full of hidden treasures like The Brazilian Cabeçudo Cattledog which is a desendent of the Cao de fila de Terciera(Terciera Mastiff) The people of Madiera & Azores were sent by the king to Minas Gerais when they found gold in the 1600's and it looks and does the same job virtualy unchanged from the now extinct Cao de fila de Terciera(Rabo torto) they are the origins of the Fila Brasileiro which was bred like a bandog like all most dogs were bred for work only good luck on the pups they should be strong functional dogs.

I Agree she is in poor condition and should get some more meat on her bones but some dogs have a hard time keeping weight on with 13 pups and padding would help the sores. This is a Bandog forum not designer dog forum I am not the only one talking about show versus work I'm interested in the history of that Neo cross or not. bandogs are meant for work most all breeds are bandogs it's just how long ago they stopped bringing in new blood some longer than others, some continue to work some become designer dogs for looks only as mentioned by the original poster show dogs wouldn't do the work in the heat very well and poor farmer would have no use for it function over form Bandogs.

[quote="Ryan"][quote="wookiebush"][quote="brazillianbandogge"] [/quote] you call that a neo??[/quote] Just because it dont weigh 200 pounds and it can do a days work dont mean its not a neo As for the conditsion of the bitch yeah shes a bit skinny so was my bandog when she had a litter,she had 13 pups and they realy took it out of her but she soon put the weight back on Ryan..[/quote] She had 13 too but now just 11 survive. Actually I have began these topic not to show the Neo bitch, but to show the cross, and to continuing send pictures of some puppies time to time. I did the same in other topic when i crossed my main bloodline with Dogue de Bordeaux.

brazillianbandogge could you please tell me more about the test you do to determne whether the dog would be a good guard dog or not. how do you do the test and how do you compare the result. a website would be much welcome. btw i tried to google johnny courville but came up empty thanks in advance troy

[quote=troy]brazillianbandogge could you please tell me more about the test you do to determne whether the dog would be a good guard dog or not. how do you do the test and how do you compare the result. a website would be much welcome. btw i tried to google johnny courville but came up empty thanks in advance troy[/quote] http://www.freewebs.com/southernbulldoggebreedersassn/puppytesting.htm

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thanks brazilliandogge one more test you should do(just my opinion) try fighting the puppy(turning him on his back and do like trying to kill him grabing him in te neck and shaking). this will show what the dog will do as adult when cornered or too much stress is applied by a BURGLAR/INTRUDER/HELPER. NO BURGLAR IS GOING TO BE SOFT ON YOUR DOG.every puppy will gget aggressive in this situation but the time laps between when the aggression shows will differ. this MIGHT SHOW THE TIME IT TAKES FOR THIS DOG AS AN ADULT TO RECOGNISE A THREAT AND REACT TO IT. just my opinion btw your tests are almost right (imo) except for the part where the pup has to come up and befriend the stanger. i would like a dog that recognise his own family even as a puppy. sometimes not warming up does not add up to a fear biter but the other way round, a real defensive and LOYAL GUARD DOG thanks again waiting for your response and anybody else responses regards troy

[quote=Hugo]Is this test also apropriate to see guarding habilities? Hugo[/quote] Its very difficult to get high score in these test.Yes it is a guardian test.

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[quote=MASTIFFKB]Please tell us more about the SJL Fila line and the ones you used.[/quote] MASTIFFKB SJL is the oldest bloodline of the filas in breeding program till now, using natural selection in brazilian farms environmental. Also the strain of SJL have been won many temperament competition in CAFIB SHOW's (Ojeriza) and conformation Show in Europe (FCI).

[quote="brazillianbandogge"]she resemble the old line of Santolo Ardolino, [/quote] U must need to go to specsavers

:lol: You beat me to it, couldnt of said it better myself

[quote=wookiebush]ardolino???? :lol: :lol: :lol: give me a break :roll:[/quote] Many old bloodline of Neo were imported to Brazil in 70's some were used to refresh Filas blood (black filas) other were used to farmers. The point is that Ardolino was one of these old bloods, so as the Neo blood that the female came from was from the same time, working Neos, where conformation is not the main focus. By seen pics you can not said much about the dog, probably i will write the same reply that you did, with just the picture above...

[quote=brazillianbandogge"][quote="wookiebush]ardolino???? :lol: :lol: :lol: give me a break :roll:[/quote] Many old bloodline of Neo were imported to Brazil in 70's some were used to refresh Filas blood (black filas) other were used to farmers. The point is that Ardolino was one of these old bloods, so as the Neo blood that the female came from was from the same time, working Neos, where conformation is not the main focus. By seen pics you can not said much about the dog, probably i will write the same reply that you did, with just the picture above...[/quote] I find that strange since he was only born in 1963

[quote=kbcouch]it is wonderful to know that i could get a pup from you and it would do as i expect and earn its keep. no ridiculous vet bills, or other issues. they may get it one day brazilian, in the mean time keep up the good work of keeping working dogs around.[/quote] You got the point! Thanks!

[quote=MASTIFFKB]I know a bit about the SJL lines, what dogs were used in your program?[/quote] I will post here the Pedigree from Redcapo's Tufão a half blood Fila SJL. http://www.negociorural.com.br/bandog/bbm/tufao.jpg Enjoy!