[quote=redcoat1102]why not talk about the grey coat? some american presas have arbaco in the pedigree of their dogs. arbaco was a neo mix in the states and people who were not knowledgeable bought dogs with this tainted blood in it[/quote] Well the reason I dont talk about the grey coat is because I know there is no grey coat in the presa breed, when I see a so-called grey presa I will let the owner know that the dog isnt of standard and is mixed somewhere along their lines. I have seen a couple of these "rare" grey presas for sale and wouldnt touch them with a ten foot pole!