[quote1267736285=snook] When talking about black and %of white it really depends. I'm not a elpresa follower. I go by fci standards. An black more than a white blaze white on toes or chest is wrong to me. I used to go by presa standards but learned quicly breeders that bred to that standard dogs have no type. There should be uniformity in any breed like rotties an such. I started noticing that every dog on elpresa looked different like a bunch of different breeds. An they brag about working but those guys never come out an work. So I've came to believe black too much white an no type = impure. Remember just because it looks like it an bites likes. Dosent make them pure. Take a look at some of curtos dogs. An tell me you don't see the neo influence. Impure [/quote1267736285] Uniformity is always a good a thing but at what price? Am I willing to sacrafice function for uniformity NOPE. I have seen bullshit 'presas' and bullshit 'dogo's', so just because one group looks like neo influence, or pit influence, or whatever doesn't mean it's right. Im starting to see in 'dogo' lines heavy resemblance of shorter bullmastiffs. I know both standards calls for dark mask but some dogs now have mask like no other dog in their ped or that I have seen from the past. Also I follow the standard that allows white and black, Im not gonna change what's been in existence before me for the sake of uniformity. Ok well let me pose this question to you, if these dogs had no previous standard, their only standard was to work how can you justify ANY STANDARD? There are dogs of old that wouldn't fit into the FCI standard but if you do your research are in some FCI lines so explain that to me. Standards are man made, for man preference.