Kat I dont go on UGM or IL C and havent spoken to anyone about this and I am going by what I have read on here. Read the questions carefully I asked if 63 days is normal I already know the answer but was wondering whether anyone could enlighten me on whether there could be a reason to go to 67 days without going to the vet. That question was not directed at You only. I know things can go wrong with whelping puppies and I dont judge Jess for what happened to her like you did and yes she and anyone else for that matter can ask questions about what happened to your litter as a matter of interest so that we dont make the same mistakes. That is what forums are about caring, sharing and educating!!! I dont know you and you dont know me but you are welcome to judge me on whatever you read on here. But as you rightly say you dont know the reason behind the calculated comments from certain people to me. I laugh I find it funny, you know why because I know what Im doing and I am willing to learn from anyone anddont need people like you to try and pick at me because your too gutless to answer a few simple questions. Have a good day I will and Im glad you appreciated the goodwill I showed you towards your dog. :lol: