Dont take it personal, all this is is a debate on a topic we dont agree on, I hold no hard feelings towards you and dont dislike you in any way ( or anyone who has posted not even the original poster ), its a message board subject thats being debated, just because you disagree with something I say doesnt mean I cant agree with you on a different subject, I also dont hold grudges either lol when its over its over and done with, we shouldnt have to agree on everything, just think if everyone did the message boards would really be boring :) This is where you say I do not like a neo with a lot of wrinkle because it isnt my cup of tea and I say wrinkle doesnt make a good or bad dog, we both know either of us will change our tune because its what we believe ( and are entitled to ) and walk away from it. I dont have anything more to say really except good luck to filachick on the pups and to post the good and bad results if any in the future as I am and have been curious to the outcome of the pups, and not to rub it in if something bad should happen, I would be the last person to do that to someone.