[quote=Platz]If you choose to cut & run.[/quote] It isn't about "cutting and running,"...word games and such. It is about being productive with my time. The information that you needed has been given to you by history (not talking about it, proving it). All I did was give you the direction. I didn't make the rules of selection...God and nature did. It is known as SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST or natural selection. For us, in a domesticated animal society we get to choose and therefore we don't use natural selection but artificial selection. These are not terms or rules I made up. Now, for the best performing animals we should use artificial selection rules that select on that basis. For, what we produced is determined by the selection pressures we apply. We select for traits. If you want your traits to be paper scores...so be it. I want performance, as my animals benifet the most from that as well. Like I said, the information you needed has been given. What you do with it is your decision. P.S. Some breeders are better at seeing the right traits in performance than are others...otherwise all lines would be equal, which obviously isn't the case. Perhaps some breeders need training in what to look for, but that would be another topic.