[quote="natimastino"]Yes I read that before, Gary. Its comical to read this nonsense when the guy admittedly says this, " [Note: Because I do not have access to a university library, I have been unable to check all literary references to the Molossus dog. Those that I have not been able to check include: Pollux, V, 37-1 Oppian, Cynegetica 1, 375; Plautus, Captivi 86-, Seneca, Phaedra 33; Statius, Thebais III, 203, Silvae 11, 6, 19, Achilleis 1, 747; Martial XR, 1, 1, Claudian, Stilicho H, 215, III, 293. 1 encourage anyone with the opportunity to do so to check out these references and see if anything else germane to the topic can be found.]" 8O 8O Totally ridiculus to even try to make an intelligent arguement when you haven't read every last scrap of history and over-turned every stone. Wise people will notice this is written by a bulldog enthusiast and their is an agenda tied to it. That is why it is irrelevant.[/quote] whys it laughable nonsence? and why would a american bulldog enthusiest have more of a agenda with this issue than a neapolitian mastiff enthusiest? Honestly, people cant even agree on what made up the american pitbull terrier,if you go to each site theres a diffrent answer to the breeds in its ancestory and this is only going back 200 somewhat years. So how is one to say for sure with such scarce info and 1,000's of years seperating this info from todays enthusiest what the molossus was with absolute certinty?