[quote=wolfbyte]Mike It is just a book. It is just a speech. It is just something said along the way. It is just a word. It is just joke. How many things that (I hope) you would not stand for have been excused that way? It is just the internet. Know something Mike? A supposed MODERATOR on this site was out of control. Not a little bit, a lot. Setting an example for behavior, and so encouraging behavior, that is way over the line. Misusing his priviledges as a moderator. Not some "oh, I dont like your arguments" trumped up to something more. He continues to be derisive and inflammatory with intent. Apparently, he gets to do that with impunity still, setting an example for some others. I spoke to the owner of the site about his misuse of his moderator tools. Privately. That's not calling in the calvary, it is what the site owner is there for (among other reasons) So knock off the silly games and interpretations. The fact that he needed to throw that out into public as a rant, that he had to use that as another way to deride, should really speak for itself. He was cc'd what I said to the owner privately, and if he had an issue with it he could have taken it up with me privately. He chose to trash the thread with it. There are people on here who dont want to see the trash being thrown into discussion threads. The stupid pictures posted with mal intent. The constant personal, and extreme derision. Not an occasional quip, not a heated discussion. Pure derision, trash, and personalization. If they speak up about it, that's not calling in the calvary either. Trying to make objecting to that somehow wrong, trying to make this a competition and making as if common sense actions, and speaking up, are calling in the calvary, that's a problem, Mike. If more than one person has something to say, and they agree somehow, that's not call in the calvary. Right now there are two people who make a campaign of trashing every discussion thread where they dont like what is being discussed; o who is discussing it. There is at least one more who likes to drop in and out now. Whether they are doing it "together", or they just can't behave reasonably, the effect is the same. Stupid pictures with mal intent, and trashy confrontational comments being made about individuals. Do you think YL's picture re ethnicity was funny? Sure, just hysterical. And if it had been of a black person picking cotton to say how stupid someone hwo was black and had posted they were, would it still be funny? Would it Mike? Would that be JUST a picture, and would it be JUST the internet? What do you know about Armenians, Mike? Are you aware of the genocide of Armenians by Turkish elements, that exceeded what was done to the Jews. All within a one week period? Would a picture deriding a Jew who had said they were Jewish just be funny, Mike? Just the Internet? Last night I came onto the site to see what was up, and on EVERY thread i this section that was active, the discussions about valid issues and items about the dogs, had stopped. Mike including a post by you with that sketch, which had a LOT of potential. I thought that sketch and your comment was the single most important post made in a very very long time. That potential was completely obliterated by the trash. You dont mind that loss, though, if the trash somehow stops people from saying things you dont agree with?? That's a shame. The things I pointed out about it could have actually proven some of the points you seem concerned about. OR resolved them. Your loss. But also everyone else's loss. You, or they, may want to play the game of saying a long post by me stops discussion. What does stop the discussion is the volume of trash, the mal intent, the pure derision. I dont mean a different point of view. I dont mean higher level concepts that they dont want to think about, so they call it trash. I mean pure trash. So yeah, you might want to think about whether you want to contribute to that just because it looks like fun, or you thought of a clever way to do the same. Or you think it doesnt make any difference.[/quote] Great post Steve! Thanks for saying what needed to be said. I know that I am thinking about leaving this group, as no matter what I say here, it WILL be attacked by some. I know of other people who have left this group because of all the attacks on different people by some. So, why stay? There are other groups which you can learn, post, and actually have a civilized conversation going. I can not see this group ever changing. It is sad, as this could be a good group if some would let it, but we know that will NOT happen. :roll: My time is too valuable to read this kind of attacks on people, any people! I have Caucasians to work whom happen to appreciate it when I am with them. I do not need to come here and be subject to written abuse and see that there are some who are emailing that MY CO's are not correct temperments just because I take the time and effort to work with them, and socialize them. It seems that the ones who attack the most here, care not that this breed may be banned due to their own actions, or should I say ~ lack of actions? So, those here who enjoy reading attacks on certain people, have fun! I will no longer be on this form. Steve, I am American Indian, Cherokee and Delaware. Keep smiling Kat