[quote=wolfbyte"][quote="wolfbyte]To change a BREED would require a specific, costly, very large (on the Russian program scale) breeding program, and a tightly controlled one. OR, I suppose, a very considerable period of time with less specific effort but at the very least, an isolated breeding pool. Neither of those exist. On that basis, and in that context, I dont think you're going to undo what has been taking place for 1,000 years (in the sense of LGD traits, whatever the specific breed that's split off), or for 100 or 200 years. The Russian effort was such a program. They did not use some tools available today (they did not exist) to accellerate the process. It was applied to some lines, there are other lines that were not so clearly impacted.[/quote] Gary this seems like a relevant answer to me? Not the emphasis on changing an entire breed. Note the emphasis on time and effort. [/quote] I had forgotten about his one.... Time and effort can be easily directed by an organization such as the AKC. If the AKC changes the standard (done) and have a legion of judges who expects to approach any dog in the ring and put their hands in its face (done) then anyone wishing to sell puppies with AKC papers will select for such traits as to make their dogs conform to the prescribed norm. It is quite easy actually..... and many thought this topic was dead.