[quote1326843182=Tonedog] My example was papua new guinea, a place I have a close connection to (my girlfriend is from there). In papua new guinea you can actually see an extremely early stage of the dog/human relationship. When you look at it you are actually "looking back in time" to how it all started. [/quote1326843182] You're probably risking to be lectured how this explains why YOU are biased towards Coppinger, as he actually used this very example in one of his books. [quote1326843182=Tonedog] No you don't see man crawling into wolf caves to take pups that he intends to raise to do his bidding, no, that's because this is an absurdly outdated fable which all advancements in understanding are exposing to be wrong, a fairy tale that should be abandoned. [/quote1326843182] Precisely. It was actually proven that this is practically impossible due to the difference in the developmental stages of wolves and dogs. (If you have written that, then I apologize. I started writing before I could finish your post, as I have to hurry back to work now).