[quote=Platz]Stacey - "Then conduct private communications privately if they aren't for group discussion." Where you stamping your foot when you wrote that? :lol: :lol: :lol: Accept the reality, not everyone can handle every breed of dog. When someone posts.: "Before I realised my dog jumped on him and I flew as a leaf after. The chap flew on his back with my dog laying on his chest with teeth on his throat. Without my husbands help I would not had a chance to get my dog off the bloke. " They have a very real problem, and when they sugar-coat it and make excuses for a dog that pinned a human and was at it's throat, better they get chatized here, than convicted in court.[/quote] Owner already owns the dog, owner doesn't sound inclined to kill the dog, double leashing and head halter helps control the problem, the tools necessary to change can't handle to can handle until there is a more permanent solution.