Thanks Stacey, I am already used to these kind of opinion among people here IRL. The most usual idea is that we are too lazy and careless dog owners to train our dogs to civil behavior. It seems to be really hard for ordinary dog owners to understand that this is not a question of discipline and they willingly come with several advices and opinions about training. And friends seems to have forgotten that we have during last three decades had several well behaving dogs, that we have not suffered sudden amnesia how to train. Regards Meriam with three lovely beasts